But according to Vines standing can mean standing metahorically in an approved state before God as the JWs contend, right?
I don't even accept the Bible as God's Word anymore.
You can't be serious. You actually fell into that trap?
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Rev. 14.4
by is there help out there ini was cleaning out my wallet and i came across this that i showed to a young jw at work and she freeked out.. rev.
14.4 states, however states that the 144000 are not the total number of believers in jesus who will enter heaven.
the first of a much larger number to follow..
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Rev. 14.4
by is there help out there ini was cleaning out my wallet and i came across this that i showed to a young jw at work and she freeked out.. rev.
14.4 states, however states that the 144000 are not the total number of believers in jesus who will enter heaven.
the first of a much larger number to follow..
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That's it? Why can't both groups be wearing white robes, the 144,000 and the "great crowd"? That great multitude in heaven could be angels at Rev 19:1. This isn't proof. It is only a possibility. It's not solid.
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Rev. 14.4
by is there help out there ini was cleaning out my wallet and i came across this that i showed to a young jw at work and she freeked out.. rev.
14.4 states, however states that the 144000 are not the total number of believers in jesus who will enter heaven.
the first of a much larger number to follow..
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jonathan dough
Great Crowd in heaven? Prove it.
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The WTS's endpoint of the "70 Years"?
by Doug Mason in1. does the wts date the end the 70 years as soon as the babylonian exiles returned to the land, or when they started the building of the altar?.
(ezra 2:68 makes it clear that the returnees arrived early enough for the exiles to be settled in their own towns (verse 70) well before they started to build the altar in the seventh month of an unidentified year (3:1)).. .
2. why were the returnees frightened of the people around them when they started to build the altar (ezra 3:3)?
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jonathan dough
Yahoo is closing Geocities down and I am slowly in the process of finding an alternate location.
Doug, try www.110mb.com and www.awardspace.com for free hosting. They rate near the top of the free sites. No ads.
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The Silentlambs Exposed Blog Is Closing
by Bangalore inthe silentlambs exposed blog is closing.. .
http://silentlambsexposed.blogspot.com/2009/10/future-of-this-blog.html.
bangalore.
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jonathan dough
Exposing themselves to litigation. It could be defamatory.
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Rev. 14.4
by is there help out there ini was cleaning out my wallet and i came across this that i showed to a young jw at work and she freeked out.. rev.
14.4 states, however states that the 144000 are not the total number of believers in jesus who will enter heaven.
the first of a much larger number to follow..
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jonathan dough
are not the total number of believers in Jesus who will enter Heaven
It actually doesn't say that.
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Another Trinity Thread
by AwSnap incan you clarify something for me please?
the jw's teach that most (to them, that means all) religions teach the trinity as being that god almighty, jesus, and the holy spirit are literally one, meaning the exact same 'person', none higher than the other, inseparable, the exact same thing.
they mainly use catholics and baptists, in my experience.
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The WTS's endpoint of the "70 Years"?
by Doug Mason in1. does the wts date the end the 70 years as soon as the babylonian exiles returned to the land, or when they started the building of the altar?.
(ezra 2:68 makes it clear that the returnees arrived early enough for the exiles to be settled in their own towns (verse 70) well before they started to build the altar in the seventh month of an unidentified year (3:1)).. .
2. why were the returnees frightened of the people around them when they started to build the altar (ezra 3:3)?
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jonathan dough
Doug. I got that part. I've lost the thought of this thread with respect to Ezra and 2 Chronicles. We're dealing with the end point of the 70 years, right? When do you say it occurred?
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The WTS's endpoint of the "70 Years"?
by Doug Mason in1. does the wts date the end the 70 years as soon as the babylonian exiles returned to the land, or when they started the building of the altar?.
(ezra 2:68 makes it clear that the returnees arrived early enough for the exiles to be settled in their own towns (verse 70) well before they started to build the altar in the seventh month of an unidentified year (3:1)).. .
2. why were the returnees frightened of the people around them when they started to build the altar (ezra 3:3)?
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jonathan dough
Your material would be more easily digested if you provided subheadings at strategic points.
I probably should have done that. Numbering them First, second, third, etc., should help, though.
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Another Trinity Thread
by AwSnap incan you clarify something for me please?
the jw's teach that most (to them, that means all) religions teach the trinity as being that god almighty, jesus, and the holy spirit are literally one, meaning the exact same 'person', none higher than the other, inseparable, the exact same thing.
they mainly use catholics and baptists, in my experience.
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Is understanding the Trinity doctrine essential for salvation? Did the thief who died alongside Jesus understand the Trinity doctrine?
Obviously there are exceptions depending on the circumstances. I don't believe it says anywhere that it is required by everyone to "understand" it. You can believe in the resurrection of the dead without understanding it, you also can believe that the physical body has a spirit though you don't know how they are joined together. The Trinity can be complicated stuff if you keep peeling back the layers and keep digging. One can believe it without understanding it in all of its detail. Faith plays a role. It is reasonable to have faith in the Trinity.
The converse issue is that it is not reasonable to believe that Jesus was no more than a man (JW arianism). That is a heresy, especially given all of the proof texts that indicate that Jesus was a God-man. If you are a JW and read their material, that can get pretty complicated also. There is no excuse really for saying it is false because it can't be understood. Read the Insight books and Reasoning books. Some of that is convoluted nonsense and legal double-talkl, by the JWs swallow that whole. They concede routinely they don't have certain answers, so there is degree of hypocracy with them in that regard. For JWs who pretend to be "Bible scholars" there really is no excuse. There are mountains of issues they simply can't answer. This board is full of them.